On top of that speed, i was able to fit a MASB as tank. Very rarely did i use it, because it was not common to even get hit. Which is more tank than the arty wolf, and about the same as arty jag. Using titanium sabot allowed me to do about 190 dps, the wolf using short range, high damage ammo does about 212 dps. To get the same projection as the svipul means it only does about 142dps. Just for reference, with short range ammo, the svipul did 290dps, and could project it well, out to about 25km.

So yes, the Svipul is better in every way that matters when compared to their AF counterparts, they are OP against an entire class of ships, effectively obsoleting them. 2/10 for spin effort though, needs more spin.

I understand you don't like that tactical destroyers are ungodly fast in propulsion mode, but how slow are they supposed to be? (Not a rhetorical question.) So slow that a Tornado warps in at 50km and alphas them off the field before they can respond? So slow that something like a Garmur kites them and pecks them to death? So slow that they cannot even defend themselves from the action they are supposed to defend others from? That doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, in order to react and destroy fast, assaulting ships, they have to be fast themselves.

So, it sounds like these frigates are having trouble with Svipuls conducting fast assaults and destroying them. I sympathize. Being assaulted by really fast ships that do a lot of precision damage sucks, but can you think of some natural counters to that? Hint: Ctrl+Click -> Approach -> Activate Modules is not gonna cut it.

Adapt or die.

Assault frigates are fast, with excellent tank, and good damage projection. What are THEIR weaknesses?
Interceptors are really fast, with small signatures and good resistances (i.e. tank), and with their mobility, they can use range dictation to control how much damage you do to them and how much damage they do to you (i.e. damage projection). What are THEIR weaknesses?
Faction frigates combine the various qualities of speed, tank, and damage (and other qualities), but generally speaking, they have two of the three in spades. What are THEIR weaknesses?

What if frigates were the problem?

So, on the one hand, the Svipul's speed tank is overpowered, but on the other hand, a pirate frigate's speed tank, which is as fast or faster than a Svipul, is no problem.

I'll ask again: What if frigates were the problem?

What a bunch of whiners! Most ships can fit an AB one size larger, why shouldn't a T3D?

I've gotten my but kicked by T3Ds plenty, but rather than cry about it, I learned to fly them myself. Come up with a counter folks.

I'm not opposed to making them cost a bit more to reflect their capability, but ffs, do we have to nerf every good thing just because people can't adapt?

So your idea of adapting is to fly them yourself, and now that you do you don't want them changed because :reasons:.

It also has more slots, longer targeting range, way more base HP, stronger sensor strength, smaller signature radius, more scan resolution, a larger cargohold (lol) etc., etc., etc. It's pretty much better in every way than a Rifter.



Please stop.